Dr. Elizabeth Severino & the
Angel-Wonder Powers Team
Chat'N'Pray
September 22nd, 2005

"The Vermont Experience, Polarities of Approval and Disapproval, and Growth through The Work"

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Marge - Hi Dee&Phoebe&Zoe
Dee&Phoebe&Zoe - hi Marge...How are you tonight?
Marge - Cherri & Pet Pleaser were on when I first logged on, but their names have disappeared off the screen when I went back in to change colors. I'm very well, Thanks Dee. How about you?
Dee&Phoebe&Zoe - hanging in there
Marge - Dee, can't remember where you live, .. are you close to the SE coast?
Dee&Phoebe&Zoe - nope...up here in NJ
Marge - how's the weather there?
Dee&Phoebe&Zoe - its beatuiful tonight..im sitting by an open window listening to the crickets..how 'bout you?
Marge - it's turned cold this aft with light rain (snow in the mountains). Very up and down weather here this year.
Marge - I wonder if Elizabeth made it back home yet from Vermont?
Marge - Have you heard how the event went?
Dee&Phoebe&Zoe - i hope so..i got "here" at 10 after and saw no one else here...thought i got the night wrong
Dee&Phoebe&Zoe - i've been MIA lately...im not up on the current news
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Marge - I hope everything went well for her. I kept sending prayers and good thoughts before and during her time there. Dee .. what's MIA?
Dee&Phoebe&Zoe - missing in action
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karenamarc - Hi Everyone!! This is a better color.
karenamarc - Is Elizabeth on yet?
Marge - Karen's gone to change colors. That's what I did when I first logged on. WOW Karen, you chose the color I changed back from because Cherri came on in that gorgeous colour!
karenamarc - I will be right back
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Dee&Phoebe&Zoe - i've been busy with lots of stuff lately...i've missed the chat for weeks....my husband was struck by a cab walking in NYC...so I've been playing doctor for a few weeks
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Marge - oh Dee, I'm so sorry to hear that
Marge - ELIZABETH, WELCOME DEAR ONE!
Elizabeth - Hi, Marge! Hi, Dee!
Marge - How in the world are you?
Dee&Phoebe&Zoe - he was lucky...not too seriously injured...but is suffering terribly with memory loss, or lack of concentration affecting his memory recall
Dee&Phoebe&Zoe - hi Liz
Marge - oh dear, did he suffer a concussion?
Dee&Phoebe&Zoe - yes he did...and is still feeling the effects of it
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Elizabeth - I'm tired and processing some weird stuff that happened in Vermont! Go figure! We prayed for the College events and they went as well as could be expected although the energy around the entire event was strange ... and we forgot to cover another base! Oh, well, live and learn! Dee, how is your husband? I just read the other lines in the chat log .... hit by a cab?
Elizabeth - Hi, Karen!
karenamarc - Hi, again everyone!!
Elizabeth - Pretty colors, tonight!
Dee&Phoebe&Zoe - he's hanging in there...he was really very lucky, it could have been SO much worse
Marge - Liz, when you have a free moment, please share the 'other base'?
Elizabeth - Dee, is he doing acupuncture? Acupuncture is very effective in helping in such situations, it’s extremely effective at helping with pain management.
Dee&Phoebe&Zoe - Marge just asked my question Liz...what other base? was left uncovered?
Dee&Phoebe&Zoe - he actually is scheduling an MRI just to check his head, but the doc feels confident that he will regain his memory in a few more weeks
Elizabeth - I completely forgot to ask everyone to cover the energy of my younger brother and me ... things got very weird ... still haven't figured it out yet. 
karenamarc - That is wonderful!
Marge - Holy smokes!!!
karenamarc - What do you mean, Liz?
Dee&Phoebe&Zoe - can you describe "weird" Liz?
Elizabeth - So ... the College ... about 125 people showed up for an animal communication lecture on a Tuesday in rural Vermont ... so I was happy with that ... there were some glitches with the lighting and the sound system, especially the microphone, which I found out later wasn’t working correctly.  Interestingly the glitches with the mic weren't there during the testing ahead of time, they showed up during the event and didn't get solved.  Some of the group who showed up, were very receptive, and some weren’t.  About 10 people left during the course of the two hours.  Those who were positive, gave me a standing ovation at the end.   Those who were negative, were quiet, they actually didn’t say anything until afterwards (which is how I found out, afterwards).
Marge - that's positive, Liz
Elizabeth - The attendance at the sociology class where I lectured was double the normal attendance, since other people found out about it and the room was totally packed and that went ABSOLUTELY GREAT!!!  Again, the same very mixed bag … some people were very touched, very enthusiastic, very open, and some were being stretched way further than they could handle, being asked to move out of their belief systems to a much greater extent that they could handle.   The positive ones were openly supportive, the negative ones were quiet until afterwards (and again, I found out afterwards).
Marge - Wow, Great!!!
Elizabeth - The College forgot to market the mini-class on Wednesday morning, so the only people who showed up were the 4 I had told about the class .. it was a great class, we ended up talking about how to directly know and experience intuition and the intuitive state of mind ... they really got it and were visibly empowered by the end of the morning.  Very sweet.
Dee&Phoebe&Zoe - thats great Liz!
Elizabeth - And the readings Wednesday afternoon went absolutely great! The dogs and cats and horses were wonderful and so were their people!  Most people said in the moment how deeply pleased and delighted they were.  One woman drove 2 hours so that I could meet her dogs, whom I have been helping for a few years now.
karenamarc - Sounds good.
Marge - Lucky 4! ... and all others
Dee&Phoebe&Zoe - such one on one interaction
Marge - Liz, did people actually bring their horses or items such as bridles?
Elizabeth - Another plus is, I have now had my first 'reception' in my honor, so I know what that's like ... it was very sweet, the college kids did the food.
Elizabeth - Marge ... they brought pictures.
Marge - How Wonderful!
Elizabeth - The slightly sad part was, not too many books got sold. I love that little book, I guess more people don’t buy it because of the topic.
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Marge - Liz, I guess we will absolutely never underestimate the power of prayer (not that we did) ... eg the Vermont experience going so well, eh
Wolf - Hi Liz! Hi all!
Marge - Hi Wolf
Elizabeth - And the weird part ... Tuesday evening at the reception and before the talk, one of my brother's students showed up ... she announced herself as an animal communicator taking his Qi Gong classes ... and the first words out of her mouth were in the energy of, "You know of course that your brother things what you do is {I can't remember if she said hogwash or bunk or what word she used} and doesn’t support it at all.
karenamarc - Hi, Wolf!!
Elizabeth - Hi, Wolf!
Dee&Phoebe&Zoe - WHAT!?!
Dee&Phoebe&Zoe - hi Wolf
karenamarc - In front of everyone?
Marge - Was she there out of curiosity, Liz?
karenamarc - But she is an animal communicator -- doen't make sense. Maybe she was jealous of you??
Wolf - Hi!!! How did it go Liz? // that's sad that your brother says things like that - as a Qi gong master...
Marge - Feels like she's not really an animal communicator
karenamarc - I guess he is only so open.
Elizabeth - I had trouble believing my ears. I didn't ask her to repeat it or explain it, which I realize now I "should" have done ... but I found myself talking about the fact that I feel neither of my brothers really understand or support what I do ... my older brother has already told me he feels I'm ‘so far out on the fringe that the threads are bare’ ... and my younger brother has been very resistant to the idea of animal communication and in 2001 told me he feels I'm making the whole thing up.
Wolf - I agree Marge
Wolf - that's a shame Liz! their loss!!!!
Dee&Phoebe&Zoe - I'm so sorry that you don't have your siblings support
karenamarc - That is sad, but I guess we can't expect all people to think the way we do.
Dee&Phoebe&Zoe - if anyone just listens to you and knows their own pet, your gift is undeniable
Elizabeth - So I lost my center. I was very distressed. I left her and went into the auditorium to see about the sound system (I actually just wanted to leave where she was) and when I got to the stage, this incredible person just appeared and said, "I am so happy you are here. My dad is part American Indian and my mom is Japanese, I've been using wholistic methods and energy methods for my horses and lamas and other animals for years and they are healthy and happy and I am so happy you are here to talk about this tonight!"
Marge - Liz, they may be your brothers, but they have a long way to go before they become the human spirit that you are! It's hard to take when it's family.
Wolf - I'm getting a lot of resistance from my family now too Liz - worse than ever - now that I am truly taking back my own Power and beginning to move forward with why I came to this planet now!
Wolf - true Marge!
karenamarc - She sounds wonderful!!
karenamarc - Families can be the toughest!
Elizabeth - So I felt better and this stranger (thank God) helped hold a resonance for me as I regained my center. Then ... my brother showed up and was in the auditorium ... he stayed for the entire lecture .. and afterwards wanted to talk for awhile and started to list all the things he thought I had done right and all the things he thought I had done wrong.
Wolf - I'm glad that she was there - right at that moment when you really needed to hear that
Wolf - for sure Karen
Marge - Liz, this 'incredible person' ....another miracle, another Angel
Elizabeth - It was a little bizarre. It was the first time he had ever seen me give a speech and he kept wondering at how totally comfortable I am on stage. He repeated it several times.
karenamarc - Jealous - jealous- jealous
Elizabeth - Yes, Marge, an Angel!
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Wolf - I'm sure Marge ;-)
Elizabeth - It's like he somehow forgot that I've been speaking publicly since I was in grade school and that I enjoy it.
karenamarc - You were in his territory - turf.
Elizabeth – Karen, I do believe that ‘being in his territory’ was a part of it.  But that wasn't the weird part.
Marge - Obviously he can't dismiss from his that you are doing something very extraordinarily incredible!
karenamarc - Oh, no. What next?
Elizabeth - I told him what his student had said and how I had let myself get knocked off center. He said he would speak to her.
Wolf - Liz - he has been with you before - doing the workshop here - if not other times!
Marge - (from his mind)
Wolf - hi Leslie
Leslie - Hi all,
Marge - Hi Leslie
Leslie - Just dropped in quickly to see if Liz was OK
karenamarc - I didn't know that Wolf
Leslie - Have to walk the dogs and go work for an hr or so. One of our employees lives near Houston and is getting ready to evacuate!! Are you OK, Liz?
Elizabeth – Wolf, the workshop here was one I sponsored for him, so that he could teach people Qi Gong.  He’s never seen me do a workshop or a lecture on stage for animal communication or, on stage, for anything.  Wednesday came and the day was a very long one. My brother and his girl friend and I had arranged to get together afterwards, so we did. And she suddenly leaves the room, and he starts telling me that he has something he has to clear with me. He had spoken to his student and she had denied saying what I said she said. So my brother tells me, that his first reaction was, that he felt I had been the one not telling the truth, because he felt I haven't always told the truth.
Wolf - They did a Qi Gong workshop together a few years ago which was awesome!
Marge - (Wolf ... you mean Liz's brother?)
Wolf - yes Marge - John from Vermont
Elizabeth - At that point I was incredibly tired, had just given two days of everything I had, was experiencing diarrhea from some food some well meaning person had given me that I had eaten, and now this ...
karenamarc - All you can tell is the truth.
Wolf - oh Liz - that really is bizarre
Elizabeth - And he says that someone like me, who claims to be standing for the truth, should be holding herself to a higher resonance than that!
Elizabeth - I was dumbfounded.
Elizabeth - I asked him for proof.
Dee&Phoebe&Zoe - have you be able to rebound from this Liz?
Wolf - he is around David too much - maybe not physically - but in mind
Elizabeth – Wolf, I had that thought, too.  He points to the brochure the College prepared, and he says, "In here it says you are fluent in 14 languages. You're not fluent in 14 languages."
karenamarc - This is terrible.
Wolf - Liz - that's awful !!!!
Elizabeth - And I replied, "I didn't write that. I wasn't given the opportunity to see it before it was printed. And I've never said to anyone that I'm fluent in 14 languages. All I've ever said is that I've studied 14 languages and can speak them with varying degrees of fluency."
Elizabeth - So he says, "Yes, but you should have corrected it in front of everyone in the audience."
Elizabeth - I said, "John, I couldn't see to read it ... I didn't even know it was there ... how could I have corrected it?"
Wolf - you really don't owe it to him to answer for the brochure or anything else you know!/// that's ridiculous
Elizabeth - And he says, "I think you enjoy pretending that you're more than you are."
Elizabeth - I was so hurt I started to cry.
Wolf - oooohhhh - I wish I had gone with you now!
Marge - Liz, obviously the dark side was working through him, knowing that you'd be vulnerable because he's your brother. Oh Liz.
karenamarc - Of course.
Dee&Phoebe&Zoe - oh Liz
Elizabeth - And then he says, "And in your book you talk about aspects of our family that make me feel that it wasn't the family I was raised in. You lied."
karenamarc - I am so, so sorry.
Marge - Somebody needs to punch this guy in the nose!!!
Elizabeth - And I said, "I absolutely did not! Give me an example!"
Wolf - that's for sure Marge! it is the way to get thru to her - thru family
Wolf - that's for sure Marge! it is the way to get thru to her - thru family
Elizabeth - He couldn't, so he moved onto another topic. So he says, "I've never been able to believe you completely. I've always felt you don't always tell the truth."
Wolf - sounds like a great idea Marge - and I am not like that - and you aren't either
Elizabeth - And he went on in that vein for a little while. And I finally said, "Why are you doing this now? Why are you bringing this up?"
Wolf - Liz - maybe we can both "divorce" our families!
Wolf - did he have an answer to that?
Elizabeth - And he says, "Because I love you. And this event with my student and what is printed in the College brochure and you not correcting it really bothers me. And I want to deepen our relationship."
Elizabeth - All I could think of was this isn't MY idea of how to deepen a relationship! So I said to him, "John, I have never criticized you. I have only adored you and honored you and your work. I do not understand where this is coming from."
Dee&Phoebe&Zoe - did he think he was helping you by bring up your "faults" in his eyes?
Elizabeth - Dee, I think he did.
Marge - Liz, he felt very empowered and used that in a very nasty way! Liz, you cannot let him do this to you!!! You have to rise up and see him for what he's trying to do to you, brother or no brother!!!
Elizabeth - How is that help? Am I crazy?
Wolf - what a jerk!
Wolf - No you are not crazy! He is for being so horrible to you!
karenamarc - Oh, brother.
Dee&Phoebe&Zoe - i think that maybe he is trying to feel better about himself by bring down your image to his level
Marge - No Liz! You are NOT crazy! He IS!!!
Elizabeth - And then I thought about something my daughter has said repeatedly to me ... she's a very good judge of character and she hates my brother ... she thinks all he ever does is "lure" me and then "cut me down" ...and I remembered her saying she wondered why I ever have anything to do with him.
karenamarc - I agree.
Marge - Dee ... nobody should do that to another, especially not a sibling!
karenamarc - Sounds like she is telling the truth.
Dee&Phoebe&Zoe - he is most likely spurned on by jealousy, and this is one way he can lash out at you making it look like you are the one with the problem
Wolf - for once - I agree with her! sounds like a good assessment of him
Marge - Sounds like your daughter hit the nail on the head, Liz
Leslie - I wonder if he even realizes what he is doing. My feeling his he truly believes his own hype.
Dee&Phoebe&Zoe - Marge i agree
Elizabeth - So I went back to the apartment at JSC ...cried all the way back in the car in the dark on narrow unlighted Vermont roads … and cried for another 40 minutes in the College apartment ...
Marge - I think he's feeding his own ego, and some sort of warped thinking!
Wolf - exactly Marge
karenamarc - Good thing to let it out.
Elizabeth - Leslie, I believe he DOES believe his own hype. He absolutely believes he's right.
karenamarc - I know people like that, too.
Dee&Phoebe&Zoe - those with lower energy seek out those with higher energy and try to take it from them than to try and make their own, your best defense is knowing that he is doing this and not to let him accomplish his goal
Leslie - That makes it harder to deal with. If he were really malicious he could be exposed for what he is, but if he thinks he has your best interests at heart....
Marge - Liz, I really wish I had been there!
Elizabeth - Leslie he kept saying that ... that he has my best interests and the interests of our relationship at heart ... what kind of person does that? Says they have someone else's best interests at heart and then cuts that person down?  That’s how it occurred to me, what he was doing!
Dee&Phoebe&Zoe - it is so hard to know that a sibling feels this way about you, has the "wrong impression" of you
Wolf - Liz - you always told me that crying is a good release- so release him and all his crap and don't let him get to you!
Elizabeth - I'm too close to it still, it just happened last night. I need help with this now.  I’m hurting still.
Marge - Liz, is it hurting you so deeply because he is your brother? If it was somebody else, you'd just drop him for being a nurd, right?
Elizabeth - Marge ... yes. Exactly.  I was in a place of centeredness relative to the College and the Animal League people, meaning however they were, that was okay … because of the advance warning through the email trail, I knew there was potential for trouble and I was prepared .. but I didn’t expect it from my brother and/or those around him, e.g., his student.  That’s what I meant earlier when I said we covered the College and the events around the College, so I was covered and supported beautifully with prayer energy for that … but it never even occurred to me to ask for coverage for being in and around my brother!
Leslie - Marge, I think you're right. For years I struggled with my mother like this.
Wolf - I reeeeeeeeallly wish I could have gone up there with you
Leslie - I don't think you can just let it go. You have to grieve it, like a death, which is what it is, in a way.
Wolf - true Leslie
Elizabeth - Leslie, it is. It is a death.
Marge - Okay, all, we need a prayer for Elizabeth right now! Liz ... anything specifically we can say at this time ... please suggest. Otherwise we'll do our own thing, ok?
Dee&Phoebe&Zoe - Liz- your brother says he feels that you leave him out of your family "stories" right...he must percieve that you think less of him, even though it isnt true, it could be the way he perceives things
Wolf - thanks Marge - right
Elizabeth - But the death, I now realize, is for the relationship I'd hoped or wished I had, not the relationship I have. This I can now see clearly.
Wolf - that's great Liz! good job
Marge - Leslie ... my mother nearly killed my sister like this.
Leslie - Yes, Liz, it's the one we never had or never will have that is the most painful. Knowing that no matter how I turned myself inside out, I would always be a disappointment to my mother and that she might love me, but never like me. This feels much the same.
Elizabeth - Dee, I didn't leave him out at all ... I have included him ... I've even brought him here to the Delaware Valley and sponsored him in an Qi Gong workshop which was excellent ... he's exceptionally good at what he does!  I honor him for that.
Dee&Phoebe&Zoe - i am not condoning his behavior, but trying to understand his behavior towards you Liz
Leslie - Dynamics.. my mother with me, and my father with my brother...
Dee&Phoebe&Zoe - i have a sister that i had to do the exact kind of thing to...try to see why she was treatiing me the way she was...it was her perception of how things were
Wolf - Leslie - that is what I am going thru now- I live with my Mom and she treats me like a kid and worse - like a failure
Elizabeth - Marge, I don't know. I'm still a little numb.
karenamarc - My dying father does the same much of the time.
Wolf - we love you Liz - and we all know that John is clearly wrong!
Leslie - Numbness is not a bad thing. It's like being numb when you're injured physically--insulates you from the pain for a little while. It's giving you some breathing space.
Elizabeth - Help me out here ... .when you're in relationship with someone, do you cut them down? Criticize them, in the name of helping the relationship?
Leslie - Lovingly, not like he did.
karenamarc - It is almost like a power struggle to knock you down. Not too healthy, but that is the way some people are. Not all loving and kind.
Wolf - no - that's not helping anything!
Marge - Maybe this sounds like I'm a hard person, but I believe that family or no family, we must walk away from them when they treat us like that! I blasted my mother out of the house (almost) and she never forgave me, (which was okay with me) but she left my sister alone a bit more. I never say my mother for 25 years and I was okay with that!
Elizabeth - Or point out perceived faults that YOU want resolved, so that YOU can feel better in the relationship?
Dee&Phoebe&Zoe - Liz- that is no way to help a relationship, and he should know that his words were hurtful, and you should let him know that he hurt you, not helped you
Marge - oops, I never saw my mother for 25 years
karenamarc - That is what the Celestine Prophesy says about relationships that are not healthy.
karenamarc - I agree, Marg e.
karenamarc - I agree, Marg e.
Dee&Phoebe&Zoe - karenamarc(good book)
Wolf - he was just hurting you to make himself feel better - for no real reason
Marge - Liz, how badly do you want this relationship to be great with your brother? Bad enough to take this crap from him?
Leslie - Both my ex-husband and I had to "divorce" toxic family members. It was hard but got us through, and many years later he was able to reconcile with his adoptive mother (toxic is too nice a word for her).
karenamarc - We need loving, supportive people.
Elizabeth - Dee ... I did. And then he wanted to hug me and I wouldn't let him. He felt fine. I felt like I had been thrown up on.
Wolf - it reminds me of something you used to say Liz - the "be free of"
Elizabeth - Marge ... not any longer.  Not like this, anyway.  This is a big one. There is a major energy, major energies, at play here.  I don’t see it clearly yet.  But I know it’s big.
Leslie - Liz, suggestion: do a ritual. No ideas as to what kind, but it might help you distance from him.
Elizabeth - Wolf ... yes. Maybe it IS time to 'be free of.'  Free of SOMETHING, anyway!
karenamarc - You were. That is emotional abuse. Of course, he felt great because he got his ego stroked plenty by putting you down.
Marge - Liz, ... I could really be getting out of hand here, but do you suppose he really isn't your brother? ... but some strange entity?
Elizabeth – Ho’onopono pono comes to mind. Yes, I can do that.
Wolf - I think it sure is time for that
karenamarc - Great, let's all do it.
Elizabeth - Marge, it's possible he has some kind of spirit oppression or some kind of brain engram.
Dee&Phoebe&Zoe - i think you need to give yourself time to bounce back, but then you need to stand up to him and tell him if he wants to help you , he needs to try a different approach, that you took his approach as hostile and hurtful, maybe he didnt mean to make you cry, but was just very insensitive
Elizabeth - Wolf, you know ho’onoponopono, yes?
karenamarc - Sounds good, DPZ
Marge - Dee ... I don't think Liz should be the one to initiate any conversation with him. He was the jerk, not her
Elizabeth - Dee, I told him that last night.
karenamarc - But she can try one more time to solve this situation.
Dee&Phoebe&Zoe - Marge, yes, he was, but i think Liz's energy is more elevated thatn his, and maybe can find a way to heal the situation, if she waits for him it may never happen
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Wolf - Liz - I know of Ho'oponopono - but I did not get to take the class for how to facilitate it - sure wish I had now
karenamarc - What did he say?
Dee&Phoebe&Zoe - Liz- what did he say after you told him that?
Joyce in DC - Howdy ALL! How is everyone tonight?
Wolf - hi Joyce
Marge - and perhaps it needn't happen ... does she need to subject herself to this kind of brutality? I'm sure she doesn't!
Dee&Phoebe&Zoe - hi Joyce
Marge - Hi Joyce!
karenamarc - Hi, Joyce.
karenamarc - Do you feel complete, Liz??
karenamarc - That you have fully expressed yourself??
Elizabeth - Dee, he told me I was taking it all wrong. All he wanted to do is clear the air between us and voice issues that were big ones for him, problems that he has with me in our relationship for ‘quite some time.’ He said he never intended to hurt or be insensitive.
Leslie - All, I need to log off and do what I have to do... it'll be a late night. Liz, I will be praying for you while we walk and I really look forward to this transcript. See ya!
Dee&Phoebe&Zoe - only Liz can know if she needs too heal this relationship, or if she can let it go...i had to "let go" to a degree with my own sister, but an understanding of "her perseption" helped me to understand her behavior and not excuse it, but to understand and try to see it for that
Marge - Dee .. the way I see it, there are enough good people out there in this world that Liz can help. She doesn't need to get involved trying to help people who want to destroy her.
Elizabeth - Karen ... fully expressed with him? No, I haven't told him I'm considering having nothing more to do with him.
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Elizabeth - Leslie, thank you!
Dee&Phoebe&Zoe - Liz- do you believe he "never intended to hurt" you?
Joyce in DC - Liz, both Ammas teach to stay away from negative people
karenamarc - Well, I guess he spoke what he felt. Sometimes we need to distance ourselves from these abusive people.
Joyce in DC - Found instances of this in both of their books
karenamarc - It isn't easy when it is family.
Elizabeth - Dee ... I believe that he didn't think through how hurtful his words would be. I believe his choice of timing was terrible.
Marge - Liz, ... but perhaps intentional
Elizabeth - Marge, yes, it could have been, deep down.  But the timing wasn’t an accident.  For some reason, from the Universe’s point of view, this had to happen.  I’m just clueless at the moment as to why.  And what the message or lesson is.
Wolf - he had to know that it would hurt you Liz - that was not constructive criticism by any means
karenamarc - Sure was. He did explain himself, but that is what he really thinks and you, two disagree.
Dee&Phoebe&Zoe - i agree, timing was very poor, but can you try and heal from this knowiing he didnt mean to hurt you and realize that while his timing was bad, he didnt mean to hurt you
Marge - I think he is very jealous of you, Liz
Elizabeth - This isn't the first time he's done something like this. But it's the first time in a while, so I had forgotten.
karenamarc - He did say that.
Wolf - that's for sure Marge!
Dee&Phoebe&Zoe - how did yo uheal from it in the past Liz?
karenamarc - Attackers, when you least expect it.
Wolf - exactly Liz - he has done this before - and his timing now made it all even worse!
Elizabeth - Dee, what I am clear on, is that I felt he was judging me and finding me sorely lacking, not up to par, according to his criteria.
Dee&Phoebe&Zoe - Liz- could there be a higher message to all of this for you, the timing of this now?
Elizabeth - And that energy of feeling judged, is a lousy energy to feel.
Joyce in DC - Liz, if this is a reoccuring pattern
karenamarc - Sounds like you are correct. Especially when it is negatively judging.
Dee&Phoebe&Zoe - maybe you do need to seperate from him, at least for now, to continue on your path, and not be in sync with his?
Joyce in DC - Isn't it a clue by the universe that it is time to part ways?
Marge - Liz, you are a beautiful spirit .. to speak so kindly of him.
Wolf - well said Marge!
Elizabeth - Dee, I know there is, that's why I took the risk to share it with everyone tonight. But I don't know what it is yet, unless it is the lesson of misplaced loyalty ... being loyal to an idea (a relationship with my kid brother) because I loved the idea, but not being able to see what's so.  I just know there is a Lesson here. A BIG one.
Marge - Liz, when has anybody (or Has anybody) ever made you feel like this in the last few years?
Wolf - Liz - sounds like you said that really well!
karenamarc - Some of these relationships just don't work.
Dee&Phoebe&Zoe - again..."seeing"....a recurring issue for you Liz
Joyce in DC - Liz, I think a lot of the relationship lessons are all focused on the
Elizabeth - Dee ... yes.
Joyce in DC - notion of "attachment"
karenamarc - They are just too unhealthy.
Wolf - yes Dee - and Liz - another relationship too - partner .....
Joyce in DC - Because mostly everyone approaches it from a ME perspective
karenamarc - For sure.
Joyce in DC - They actually view situations with filters
Elizabeth - Well, little by little, the Universe has been putting me in situations where all unhealthy attachments are being realized and broken ... perhaps it's as simple as that.  But even that doesn’t feel quite complete. There’s more to it.
Dee&Phoebe&Zoe - someone once said to me...you must see people for what they are, not what you want them to be, and keep them around you if you can accept them the way they are, if you can not, then you must keep your distance, since you understand
karenamarc - Auh equality!!
Marge - well said, Dee!
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Joyce in DC - It is very interesting situation with lightworkers and spiritual people that I have noticed
Elizabeth - Dee, I don't think I know who my brother is any more.
Joyce in DC - If we truly believe there is only ONENESS
Elizabeth - Hi, Laura!
Dee&Phoebe&Zoe - if you keep butting heads with these people it becomes your fault since you know what they are, and continue to come back for more...(though with family it is ahrd)
Joyce in DC - and we live it
Laura & Furry Kids - I so apologize for being so incredibly late
Joyce in DC - then there is NO attachment
Laura & Furry Kids - Have you had the healing session yet?
Elizabeth - (It's okay Laura, we haven't done the prayer session yet).
Marge - exactly Dee.... prime example, women who go back to husbands after being battered
Laura & Furry Kids - I'm going to change my color
Dee&Phoebe&Zoe - Liz- and maybe you had a "need" for him at one point in your life, so you had your "moment" and it may be time to recognize that time is passed and just let it go
Joyce in DC - because this reality is a material version
Wolf - know what Liz - I could have been still living in Florida if my now ex- hubby had not done something that made me take the step to leave - if so - I never would have moved back up here - met you - and found my own healing path...
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Dee&Phoebe&Zoe - right Marge
Joyce in DC - of our dream world
Wolf - hi Laura!
Joyce in DC - where most of the characters are ONLY YOURSELF
Dee&Phoebe&Zoe - learn the lesson and let it go
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Marge - Joyce, sorry, I'm going to have to read the transcript, because you lost me long ago.
Wolf - I think this sounds like when you had your hand crushed - the Universe is giving you the nudge again - and not gently
Elizabeth – Wolf, precisely. It’s a big one.  I can feel it.  A very big one, the way the hand situation was.  Joyce, I know all that you’ve just shared, I teach it! I know there is only one here. I also know that sometimes when issues come up, people need help understanding how to take the learnings and get centered in that again. And this just happened yesterday and today.  So I’m in the middle of it.
karenamarc - I know how painful this is for you, Liz because I experience it in my life. It is hard to figue.
karenamarc - figure
Elizabeth - Wolf, that feels correct. It is a strong nudge, and again, not gently. But towards what?  I know it’s big.  VERY big.
karenamarc - But we are all different and in different places.
Laura & Furry Kids - Wolf, I was just writing you an e-mail, which reminded me I had forgotten about the chat!
Dee&Phoebe&Zoe - have you been questioning yourself in any way reciently Liz?
Wolf - towards "seeing" what is - not what we want it to be
Joyce in DC - I have read a lot of the AMMA and AMMACHI books but particulalry AMMA
karenamarc - Towards freedom from negativity.
Elizabeth - Towards letting go of everying in my past? to be non attached and free to move wherever spirit sends me? Maybe that's it.  But no, that doesn’t feel quite right either.
karenamarc - For sure, Wolf.
Wolf - great Laura! glad you got here! and can't wait to read that one too! thanks
Joyce in DC - Liz, I know you know this but I found a very interesting coorealtion
Dee&Phoebe&Zoe - letting go of the "ideals" we create and not seeing the world around us for what it really is
Wolf - thanks Karen
Marge - that feels right to me, Liz
Joyce in DC - The mantras .... bijaksharas esp
karenamarc - Here, here. And sometimes it is not pretty.
Joyce in DC - work in the subtle energy feel
Elizabeth - Dee, that's it. Thank you. That feels totally on target.
Wolf - I think that
Wolf - oops
Joyce in DC - and move us slowly but surely on the path of detachment
Laura & Furry Kids - I did some huge collage archetype work this weekend.
Elizabeth - I DO do that, I HAVE done that ... created 'ideals' and not seen the world around us for what is really so. IT IS ALL ABOUT WHAT'S SO ... AND SEEING WHAT'S SO. And LOVING what’s so.  Thank you!
Dee&Phoebe&Zoe - your welcome
Laura & Furry Kids - I'm not sure if this fits, because I'm coming in on the tail end. :)
karenamarc - Great, Liz!!!!
Joyce in DC - until you start feeling the effects of the mantras on your personality
Joyce in DC - it is all in the head
Joyce in DC - but hard to live it
Marge - Great Liz, Dee!
Dee&Phoebe&Zoe - be free Liz!
Joyce in DC - The neat thing is that by sticking to the practices
Elizabeth - Thank you, Dee, Marge, Karen, Wolf!
Laura & Furry Kids - Joyce, so being free in word and thought first, right?
Wolf - Liz - I think that is what is going on in my life too - I am being directed - and none to gently - to get out of here -a way from my family - and move on to my life purpose
Joyce in DC - they really work!
karenamarc - Free, free, free !!!!
karenamarc - Great, gals!!
Wolf - you are most welcome Liz
Dee&Phoebe&Zoe - TEAMWORK!!!!
Elizabeth - That's a part of it …To see the world as it really is, to see what's so .. and be free ... and also to LOVE what's so ... but to love it, I wonder if we have to see it clearly ...
Wolf - that's is Dee - that is us! a real team!
Wolf - that's huge!
Dee&Phoebe&Zoe - it goes hand in hand with the problems with your physical eyes
Elizabeth - You are all just so GREAT! This was a big one for me, thank you SO much!
Laura & Furry Kids - :)
karenamarc - How can you love the pain, though?
Wolf - exactly Dee
Elizabeth - Dee, yes, it totally does! And it's a piece of the 'seeing' puzzle I didn't SEE until just now!!!!
Joyce in DC - Sight is thru the spiritual eye not physical
Dee&Phoebe&Zoe - Liz- it is so importatnt to know that seeing the world as it truely is, even if it isnt what we think we want, it that way for a reason, we must trust in the higher power
Wolf - Karen - I don't think it's loving the pain - but loving that it gets you to do what you need to do
karenamarc - Oh, I got it, Wolf. Thanks!! Sometimes to mature and move on.
Dee&Phoebe&Zoe - to be doing what is best for our higher selfs
Elizabeth - So when I start to see what's so ... and learn that all of it is God ... and love all of it ... then the ideas I've carried of things that weren't so will be recognized as the delusions they are ... including relationships that I've seen one way that are actually another ... and this, once seen and released, will let me see what's so including with myself ... as ONE!
Dee&Phoebe&Zoe - acknowledge and move on
Elizabeth - Yeah, TEAM!
Dee&Phoebe&Zoe - yes Liz!
Wolf - it reeeeeally hurt to make the decision to leave my husband -but if I hadn't - I wouldnot be a healer in my own right - started by Liz!
karenamarc - Yeah, TEAM!!!!
Dee&Phoebe&Zoe - wonder-team powers activate!
Wolf - awesome Liz!!!!!!!
Marge - Yeah TEAM!
Elizabeth - (Wolf, I am so happy you have come into your healing-power-self!).
Elizabeth - Dee, I love that ... the Wonder-Team!!! (VERY BIG GRIN).
Wolf - yes Dee! I love that! we are all superheroes!
Elizabeth - Or even the Wonder-Powers Team!
Wolf - thanks so much Liz! I so am too! Mahalo! ;-)
Dee&Phoebe&Zoe - my costume is orange...lol
karenamarc - This is great!!!!
Elizabeth - Yep, that's what we are ... the Wonder Powers Team!
Wolf - for sure! ;-)
Marge - right color for you, Dee!!! You're good, that's for sure!
Elizabeth - Dee, that is SOOO funny!!!! LOL!!!!
karenamarc - Ladies, I love you all, but I need to sign off now. Sweet dreams and happy healings for us all.
Dee&Phoebe&Zoe - night karenamarc
Wolf - night Karen - blessings
Elizabeth - All ... I can find the ho’onopono pono exercise and we can do it next time if you like ... it's a powerful Hawaiian process to let go of relationships and/or relationship troubles or attachments ... anyone interested?
Marge - night karenamarc.
Marge - absolutely, Liz!
Elizabeth - Karen .. don't sign off yet! ... interested?
karenamarc - Count me in. Pleeeeeaaaase!!!
Dee&Phoebe&Zoe - sure Liz- we can probably all use it to some degree
Marge - right on Dee
Wolf - for sure Liz - Ho'oponopono is great for relationships!
karenamarc - I really need this one, Liz. I am having a really hard time with my Dad somedays.
Elizabeth - Okay, I'll make a note and we'll do it next time. Then we'll not only do it, but you'll all have it in the transcript, to reference any time you need it.
Wolf - great Liz - Mahalo!
Dee&Phoebe&Zoe - great
Marge - super!
karenamarc - Thank you, Liz. You are invaluable to us and this earth's journey.
karenamarc - Really night all. Love you.
Wolf - wellsaid Karen
Elizabeth - Karen, thank you so much! I am deeply touched! Gee, I'm really grateful for all your help tonight, thank you so much! I'm feeling to do the prayer session now ... everyone okay with this?
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Dee&Phoebe&Zoe - time for the healing basket?
Joyce in DC - Well good nite folks!
Elizabeth - Dee, yes.
Marge - you bet
Laura & Furry Kids - Someone called me - imporrtant call
Wolf - ready!
Marge - night Joyce
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Elizabeth - Okay, Laura!
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Wolf - hi Laura!
Elizabeth - All , please choose a name, that works for you to represent the Divine, and key it into the chatroom!
Dee&Phoebe&Zoe - Universal Love
Wolf - Father and Mother God and Holy Spirit
Elizabeth - (Dee ... LOL!!! That's perfect for tonight!!! LOL!))
Marge - God, Holy Spirit
Dee&Phoebe&Zoe - nice to "hear" you laughing liz
Joyce in DC - Oh Lis
Wolf - it sure is Dee!
Elizabeth - The Holy Ones, Holy Spirit, Divine Mother, Amma!
Laura & Furry Kids - Great Creator
Marge - ditto Dee
Joyce in DC - Oh Liz, I was on the company chat s/w
Joyce in DC - And my mgr spotted me
Joyce in DC - So I have been alternating between him and you
Elizabeth - Joyce ... you ok?
Joyce in DC - your chat
Joyce in DC - LOL!!!!
Elizabeth - Well, is the healing energy rubbing off on your mgr? LOL!!!
Elizabeth - That said, ....
Laura & Furry Kids - I'm off the call - will call back.
Elizabeth - Come, Universal Love! Come, Father and Mother god, Holy Spirit! come, Great Creator! come, Holy Ones, Holy Spirit, divine MOther, Amma! Be here with us now!
Elizabeth - In-fill us with your Power and Grace!
Laura & Furry Kids - Holy Ones, Holy Spirit, Divine Mother, Amma! Great Creator
Elizabeth - Make it so that we resonate with your Power, Grace, and Goodness!
Elizabeth - Make it so that we realize that we are in You andYou are in Us!
Elizabeth - Before me is the Basket of Blessings ...
Elizabeth - All please now say or chant your Name(s) for the Divine ...
Elizabeth - As you breathe deeply in and out ...
Elizabeth - And beam your hands towards yourcomputer screen, setting your intention to have healing energy be made manifest for those in the Basket of Blessings, here in front of my computer screen ...
Elizabeth - And it is so! Amen!
Laura & Furry Kids - Thank you.
Dee&Phoebe&Zoe - and it is so!
Wolf - amen!
Marge - Amen
Elizabeth - It is time now, to enter any other names of people, animals, or situations, that you would like to receive healing prayer energy now.
Laura & Furry Kids - Amen.
Laura & Furry Kids - Mia, the black lab down the road, in her new home.
Marge - healing and return to vibrant health for Dee's husband
Joyce in DC - Dearest Divine Mother, may you shine your divine light on all your children to enlighten their path and may they in turn share the light with all others
Wolf - for all people and animals in the path of Hurricane Rita and all affected by Katrina
Laura & Furry Kids - And so it is so, Joyce. Thank you.
Dee&Phoebe&Zoe - for Steve in NYC- that his hand injury heal quickly from the terrrible accident today
Marge - ditto Wolf
Wolf - beautiful Joyce!
Laura & Furry Kids - Wolf.
Joyce in DC - to manifest Eden on All Universes and REalms.
Dee&Phoebe&Zoe - Joyce-that is beautiful
Laura & Furry Kids - Dee& Friends
Dee&Phoebe&Zoe - thank you Marge
Wolf - thanks
Dee&Phoebe&Zoe - wolf-ditto
Marge - (you're welcome Dee)
Marge - that is beautiful, Joyce
Laura & Furry Kids - To those of us who are sending these blessings.
Laura & Furry Kids - May we be completely loving and giving.
Elizabeth - For all of us here, that we celebrate the Oneness and the Unique Contributions of Each Member of the Wonder Powers Team!
Wolf - for me to manifest the money needed immediately to fund my trip to further my life purpose - to Seattle and Tacoma, WA in October
Dee&Phoebe&Zoe - for Liz- that she open her "eyes" the the recurring situations around her, and learn to "see"
Joyce in DC - Well I am back on liz's spritual real after a brief detour on the corporate network LOL!!!!
Dee&Phoebe&Zoe - thaks Laura
Wolf - thanks LL!
Wolf - well said Liz! ;-)
Elizabeth - Thanks, Dee!
Marge - Amen to that Liz (thank you)
Laura & Furry Kids - Thank you all - every angel here.
Elizabeth - And that as our Team Grows in Love and Light, that we Spread that Light to All Animals and People with whom our paths cross!
Dee&Phoebe&Zoe - i like that Laura-every angel here : )
Joyce in DC - I have beem feeling like the physical manifestation of a conflugence of homepathic, aliopathic and spiritual healing.
Laura & Furry Kids - Amen!
Joyce in DC - very wierd!
Elizabeth - Grin ... now we're the Angel Wonder Powers Team! LOL!
Wolf - so be it!
Wolf - no weird Joyce - awesome!
Laura & Furry Kids - Thank you so much to all of you. I have a call to return. :) Blessings, blessings and more blessings to each and every one of you, and your animals (Kiss for KiKi)!
Wolf - even better Liz!
Elizabeth - Joyce, that's what I was speaking about at JOhnson State College Tuesday night ...
Dee&Phoebe&Zoe - funny, i just got a stuffy nose, which is sure to start running soon...my body is cleansing, i feel healing here too
Wolf - thanks LL - "
Joyce in DC - Liz, what ever happened to the NING turtles
Joyce in DC - ?
Elizabeth - Maybe you're picking up on that ... or maybe we're both picking up on a bigger energetic of that ...
Wolf - LL - see you soon!
Joyce in DC - I was having dinner last night with a bunch of pharma people
Joyce in DC - And found out not only that quite a few of them dabble in homepathic and herbal remedies
Elizabeth - ? the NING turtles?
Dee&Phoebe&Zoe - night Laura
Joyce in DC - but they are all into organic food
Elizabeth - Dee. that's great, that you feel the healing here!
Wolf - Liz is all still on for Sunday?
Marge - the energy right now sure feels wonderful and clearing to me
Joyce in DC - IT WAS LIKE my WOW experience a few years back with Philip Morris when I found out that most of the mgmt didn't smoke!!!!
Wolf - any changes?
Elizabeth - Wolf ... yes! 
Elizabeth - Wolf ... nope. 
Wolf - great! I am sooooooo excited! Can't wait!
Dee&Phoebe&Zoe - the best part about these chats is even if we pick up on someones issue for the chat, i think if we are here, then we all need to work throught it too to some degree ourselves
Elizabeth - Wolf .. I mean, Yes we're all set for Sunday, andNo, there aren't any changes! LOL!
Marge - Joyce, LOL ... that's fantastic!
Joyce in DC - One of my phamra buddies even grows their own organic food cause they don't trust what is out there!
Wolf - I got that! Mahalo! ;-)
Elizabeth - Dee .. that's my experience and perception of what happens here, too.
Joyce in DC - The moral of what I am sharing is that you can't tell a book by it's cover
Wolf - for sure Dee!
Elizabeth - Joyce ... awareness and action. That's GREAT!!!
Joyce in DC - that our reality is mostly persponal perception that may or may not actually reflect waht is REAL!!!
Joyce in DC - Everytime i stick to my AMMA routines some really third eye pereceptions
Marge - very true Dee
Dee&Phoebe&Zoe - Joyce, and that people are like books, just because you buy a book, you may not need to read the whole thing, but there may be one part in it that you were meant to see, and then put the book down, just like people we meet, sometimes only needed for a "chapter's worth" and then we can "put them down"
Joyce in DC - Blast through
Elizabeth - Joyce. that's what I call projection. We project onto others, what's so about ourselves, until we distinguish the energy of projection and drop it or un-do it.
Wolf - well - I promised to do a reading for MP - and it's getting late - night all - many blessings to all - and Liz - much healing to your "sight" on all levels -and will see you on Sunday!
Elizabeth - Wolf ... thanks for joining in tonight! Say HI to MP and I'll see you Sunday"!
Joyce in DC - Liz, AMMA recently taught me that HRIM is the sanskrit sound to overcome fatigue
Dee&Phoebe&Zoe - nite Wolf
Joyce in DC - And it really works!!!
Marge - Dee... that sounds like 'family', LOL (or at least some of them)
Wolf - thanks - will do - see you! much Love to you and all!
Elizabeth - Joyce .. well that would make sense. the "H" sound is the sound of breath.
Joyce in DC - Liz, I know
Dee&Phoebe&Zoe - right Marge
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Marge - night Wolf,
Joyce in DC - Liz, But what gives us clarity is to keep up with the spiritual practices
Dee&Phoebe&Zoe - i'm off for the night too...love to yo